Correct plug, Mototrans Elite

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Geordie
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Correct plug, Mototrans Elite

Postby Geordie » Tue Jan 25, 2022 6:03 pm

My Mototrans Owner's Manual lists a Firestone F20 EF-S spark plug. Now defunct, I can't find a cross-ref for an equivalent.
The bike came with a new/good Champion L86C but shows rich running wherever I have the carb needle height - UB24 with spec needle/jets as originally fitted.
I am wondering if its a hotter plug needed. Its a '61 engine with big valve head and '1' cam. I don't intend high revs operation.

Any plug equivalent or suggestions gratefully received.

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Re: Correct plug, Mototrans Elite

Postby Duccout » Tue Jan 25, 2022 6:10 pm

I think that a B6HS or B7HS is recommended.

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Re: Correct plug, Mototrans Elite

Postby Geordie » Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:05 pm

Thanks for that. I have looked for a reference,before asking here but didn't find one. As the current plug is hotter than those two, i'll have to weaken the mixture and try that.

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Re: Correct plug, Mototrans Elite

Postby ducwiz » Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:59 am

The spanish parts catalog for the Mototrans 200 lists a BOSCH 225 (or equivalent Champion, no grade quoted).
The italian catalog recommends a 240 grade for the 200.

cheers Hans

EDIT: I found a spanish user manual on one of my harddrives. It says "F 20 EF-S (240 on BOSCH scale)".

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Re: Correct plug, Mototrans Elite

Postby themoudie » Wed Jan 26, 2022 6:28 pm

Aye Geordie,

According to this online cross-reference, linked to below; the Bosch 225 plug, NGK equivalant plug is the B7HS and the Bosch 240 plug, NGK equivalent plug is the B8HS.

Spark_plug_cross_reference_link

At present I am running a B7HS in my '72 450 MKIII, rather than the often recommended B6HS that appeared too hot.

I believe Nigel Lacey runs either B7HS or when possible B8HS plugs in the race engines. He may care to comment?

Good health, Bill

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Re: Correct plug, Mototrans Elite

Postby Paul O » Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:44 pm

Hi George,

Mine has a NGK B7 HS, you know the rest lol

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Re: Correct plug, Mototrans Elite

Postby Geordie » Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:38 pm

Wow, what a response. Thank you to all. I'll get a new plug and start from there.

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Re: Correct plug, Mototrans Elite

Postby Geordie » Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:04 am

themoudie wrote:
At present I am running a B7HS in my '72 450 MKIII, rather than the often recommended B6HS that appeared too hot


Confusingly, I now find, NGK temperature reference numbers reduce for hotter while other manufacturer's increase!

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Re: Correct plug, Mototrans Elite

Postby themoudie » Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:52 am

That was my problem as well Geordie. Nigel suggested that I should be running B7HS or B8HS, rather than the B6HS that I had gravitated to, as this latter heat range plug was the type recommended in the Champion to NGK conversion tables. I too thought that I was using a cooler plug, whereas in fact I was using a hotter plug and starting to get blistering on the central electrode ceramic insulator.

Good health, Bill

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Re: Correct plug, Mototrans Elite

Postby Ventodue » Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:05 am

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