Stray HT sparking

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Geordie
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Stray HT sparking

Postby Geordie » Fri Mar 18, 2022 6:18 pm

I'm baffled with this one. Noticed it when trying to adjust tickover. I get a reading of 1ohm between battery neg > frame > engine cases > spark plug body > carb body or any combination of 2.

I don't think the video will load here so I've put it into dropbox. The share link is:-

https://www.dropbox.com/s/hivx3xxo82krz ... S.mp4?dl=0

Any thoughts gratefully received!

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Re: Stray HT sparking

Postby ducwiz » Fri Mar 18, 2022 7:17 pm

Are you really sure that a low-resistance value reads between battery minus and the engine case?
Imho the engine is somehow electrically isolated from the frame and battery minus, so the spark's current doesn't see a low-resistance path to battery/engine case, hence a second spark is produced at the point of the closest sparkover distance. What happens when you pull the carb backwards a few milimeters?
You can check the faulty connection by putting a temporary cable connection between your engine case and the negative battery pole. If you do so, please report the result.

Hans

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Re: Stray HT sparking

Postby blethermaskite » Fri Mar 18, 2022 8:33 pm

Engine may be trying to earth itself through the throttle/choke cables? put a temporary jumper earth cable firmly connected to battery neg and an engine bolt/screw (not an engine to frame bolt) I think you have a dodgy earth path.
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Re: Stray HT sparking

Postby Jordan » Fri Mar 18, 2022 9:04 pm

External sparks so close to fuel is a seriously bad situation.

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Re: Stray HT sparking

Postby DBDBrian » Fri Mar 18, 2022 9:55 pm

I tend to think a dedicated earth is a must, too ensure a good connection.
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Re: Stray HT sparking

Postby Geordie » Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:16 pm

blethermaskite wrote:Engine may be trying to earth itself through the throttle/choke cables? put a temporary jumper earth cable firmly connected to battery neg and an engine bolt/screw (not an engine to frame bolt) I think you have a dodgy earth path.
Cheers,
George


Agree, the carb is on a plastic sleeve so only conductor is via cable.

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Re: Stray HT sparking

Postby Geordie » Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:25 pm

ducwiz wrote:Are you really sure that a low-resistance value reads between battery minus and the engine case?
Imho the engine is somehow electrically isolated from the frame and battery minus, so the spark's current doesn't see a low-resistance path to battery/engine case, hence a second spark is produced at the point of the closest sparkover distance. What happens when you pull the carb backwards a few milimeters?
You can check the faulty connection by putting a temporary cable connection between your engine case and the negative battery pole. If you do so, please report the result.

Hans


I borrowed a new Fluke with 1/10th Ohm division. Battery neg to spark plug reads 0.0 / 0.1 Ohm. With jumper cable from battery neg to head fin is the same.

To help matters along, the sparking has now stopped.

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Re: Stray HT sparking

Postby Geordie » Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:44 pm

DBDBrian wrote:I tend to think a dedicated earth is a must, too ensure a good connection.P1080017.JPG


Yes, I'll think on a retro-fit.


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