250 Mk3 project - NC wiring harness

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Re: 250 Mk3 project - NC wiring harness

Postby ducwiz » Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:02 am

Hi Jordan,

I followed your path, sold or scrapped all that Motoplat stuff *, because of bad cable insulation, weak sparking, failing coil units, and non-servicability due to extensive encapsulating. Ducati Energia parts showed up much more reliable over the years. My own 350Mk3D ran more than 30000 km with a Ducati CDI and a DIY-converted 12Volt Regulator/rectifier.
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My period of maximum activity with (mostly w/c) Ducatis was between 1985 and 1999, approximately, when a lot of abandoned singles - mostly SCRs - were imported from Italy to Germany. Hence, my experiences with Motoplat alternators are a long time ago, so details are somehow obfuscated.

I agree with your explanation of the important facts - parts certainly may be mixed if radial clearance (i. e. air gap) and length/width of pole pieces and magnets are roughly matching. And indeed, the shape of the voltage pulses is of no importance for the charge rate, or average DC voltage at the battery terminals.

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* I also discarded all the Ducati brass flywheels, as their tapered seat often loosened in operation, then damaging the crankshaft taper, despite having appling the correct torque on the fixing nut. All my engines were equipped with aluminum rotors.

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Re: 250 Mk3 project - NC wiring harness

Postby Jordan » Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:38 pm

ducwiz wrote:* I also discarded all the Ducati brass flywheels, as their tapered seat often loosened in operation, then damaging the crankshaft taper, despite having appling the correct torque on the fixing nut. All my engines were equipped with aluminum rotors.


Thinking the same, my single has a light alloy flywheel too. There is less inertia for the taper to cope with.
Maybe it improves acceleration also, but it's not obvious.

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Re: 250 Mk3 project - NC wiring harness

Postby Dave_the_Rave » Wed Oct 12, 2016 3:31 pm

Snagged a 4 magnet brass flywheel for my project. Progress.

I have since done some investigating, the mach1 stator has 3 leads running off it but is a 4 pole stator as one connection is to the engine as the earth.

So I require the 3 screw stator plate with the four pole coil(s) for authentic mach1 standard.

Thanks all for your inputs and guidance, will top up thread when I've made another forwards step. Cheers y'all. DtR.

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Re: 250 Mk3 project - NC wiring harness

Postby Dave_the_Rave » Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:11 am

Two new questions, can the smaller 4 magnet flywheel be converted to produce 12v (my spider sense is tingling with this being a quite amazingly stupid question)

Would some kind soul point me in the direction of working out which bike a 57 tooth clutch basket (130mm OD) came off of please.

Cheers, DtR.

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Re: 250 Mk3 project - NC wiring harness

Postby Eldert » Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:06 am

Hi Dave

250 clutch is 24 / 60 . 350 and 450 clutch 27 / 57 .

the 3 /450 clutch is made of better quality material .

Eldert

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Re: 250 Mk3 project - NC wiring harness

Postby Dave_the_Rave » Tue Oct 18, 2016 3:01 pm

Thanks Eldert, so I have a 350/450 clutch basket, didnt check the associated gear but will later.

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Re: 250 Mk3 project - NC wiring harness

Postby double diamond » Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:22 pm

Dave,
I’ve come across a few Diana/Mk3 engines that had the 27/57 primary installed. Either this was perceived as an advantage to racers who may have installed the lower ratio primary or Ducati was installing this primary at the factory. The 57 tooth clutch hub is steel whereas the 60 tooth hub is cast iron. If you have the 57 tooth clutch hub, you have to have the corresponding 27 tooth primary gear.

Matt

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Re: 250 Mk3 project - NC wiring harness

Postby Dave_the_Rave » Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:32 am

Belated thanks Matt. Got fixed up with the associated gear.

I have a swinging arm question, I am missing the narrow case pin (for the swinging arm) but I have sourced one from someone but it is a widecase pin, I can cut it down to size but does it have the same outer diameter? I ask now because the bloke selling is currently away on business so I cant get hold to try it and would like to find out sooner so I can plan my next move if the OD isn't the same for my NC.

Cheers DtR.

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Re: 250 Mk3 project - NC wiring harness

Postby Eldert » Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:07 am

Hi Dave

the o.d. on both swingarmpins is 29 mm . btw new n.c. swingarmpins are sold by the ducati vintage store ( Amici Dello Scrambler )

they have 180 and 200 mm lenght . price is 34 euro .

Eldert


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